Buried Alive


Too late to apologize…. by pisaquaririse
August 11, 2008, 6:01 pm
Filed under: Antibodies, gender pimps, Grab a shovel, Interconnected!, WhatAboutMEEEE

In proper Cowblog fashion this post has a title from a song and there is a semi-related music video.

Yes, Polly, this one’s for you.

And a whole bunch of others who fight tooth and nail to keep destructive forces out of women’s lives. Pssstt: gender in any capacity, is destructive.

But since it is not up for debate whether or not body-expression-essential-fascism is destructive (nor is it the point of this post) we will move on now.

Polly you have been mistreated, misrepresented, silenced and now flat out ignored. It’s okay, because in the grand scheme, truth has a head and it rears from time to time. Nevertheless, it’s good to call things as they are.

Dear F Word,

If you are going to have a comment policy it might behoove you and your readership to actually follow it. To selectively follow your own policy for some and not others is pretty crappy. Not only that, it discredits and undermines the very thing you need held strong to keep your blog “safe” for feminists. Some people spend a lot of time on comments, especially where controversial topics are concerned. Comment policies are often used by people to assess where their time and energy is best spent. In the name of common decency, providing an honest representation of what you allow and don’t helps people to better allot their time and energies.

For example, if Polly Styrene’s comments will not be allowed in discussions on gender on your blog when the author is Helen G then say it. Give her that much notice.

But don’t block her comments that follow your policy and then respond with comments to her (and others) that don’t follow your own policy.

And, btw, obviously I have decided upon thorough review of the threads and comments in question, that her comments were in check with your policy and the treatment in response to her was not. (I also must concur with the rumour going around that the F Word is indeed not very diverse in it’s representation of feminist perspectives. In fact, is on the way to becoming so narrow it teeters on irrelevance. “I concur with m’learned friend” as it were). So the sticky details of these series of events are not up for debate either. Polly has given F Word and those of significant involvement ample time in private and public space to respond. You know where to find her. This thread will not serve as a passive aggressive dart practice.

Now, contrary to the title of this post, I’m not actually saying “it’s too late to apologize” because 1. It’s not my call, I’m not the person who is owed an apology and 2. Yes, someone it still owed an apology.

But if and when that will happen remains to be seen. If I am being cynical, my inkling is it won’t happen. Or it if does it will be awash in generics, vague-ities and too broad as to address the exact incident. Nevertheless, here I am, small blogger of the hated Radical Feminist variety speaking up to say: Yes, Polly is owed an apology and there is an author who needs to own her actions.

Admittedly, I say all this as someone who has no official blog policy–however, let the record show: all comments (save the violent threats) get through on my blog. Even the radfemphobic ones. Even those that make my brain dance the Logic Rigadoon.

Not allowing dissent may be annoying to some but saying you do and then not following through is a whole other crop of crappery. Get it together F Word.

–Sincerely–

…Now for an experiment…

Have your say

1. Radfemphobic comments will be blocked.

(Figure your way around that policy.)

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18 Comments so far
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Thanks P. Glad to see you’re following the F word ‘comments policy’. And remember poor ol’ Abby O’Reilly was nearly hung for daring to say ‘prune faced’ and ‘dusty old uterus’. You should have called the complainers ‘transphobic’ Abby. Then nothing would have happened.

Oh and a certain Ms Sparkle Matrix has written about this….

http://sparklematrix.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/polly-put-the-kettle-on/#comment-44858

Comment by Polly Styrene

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Thanks P, that was truly fabulous! Lately I’ve been trying really freaking hard to see transgenderism from their point of view, but try as I might it still ends up making no sense.

And I’ve also want to apologize to you if I said anything to offend. I tend toward the tactless side of the street, maybe even across town.

Comment by m Andrea

No problem Polly and m Andrea!
Glad to see others covering it.

“And remember poor ol’ Abby O’Reilly was nearly hung for daring to say ‘prune faced’ and ‘dusty old uterus’. You should have called the complainers ‘transphobic’ Abby.”

Well, see, I hate the derogatory terms she used as well. But I hate the way you have been treated ALSO.
My hate does not discriminate.

“And I’ve also want to apologize to you if I said anything to offend. ”

Puh?
Very hard to offend me m Andrea. Why/When/How have you the belief to have offended me?

Also, I would have totally said in this post that F Word should apologize to you too but I didn’t see you addressing them directly on your blog. Didn’t know how much you actually cared???

Comment by pisaquaririse

It is a well known propaganda tool to solicit opinion on a subject and then only publish opinions that concur with the position stated in an effort to create the illusion of consensus. I can’t help but wonder how long this propaganda technique has been in use on the F word.
It is an interesting contrast to mAndrea’s policy of if you make any kind of sense at all your comment gets published on her blog.

Comment by thebewilderness

“It is a well known propaganda tool to solicit opinion on a subject and then only publish opinions that concur with the position stated in an effort to create the illusion of consensus.”

Ha!
Yes.

“It is an interesting contrast to mAndrea’s policy of if you make any kind of sense at all your comment gets published on her blog.”

Exactly.
Whereas here you don’t even have to make any sense.

Comment by pisaquaririse

Whereas here you don’t even have to make any sense.

I send them bits of wisdom garnered from the ashes of my dispair, but alas, they journey no further than the wastebin behind their door.

They do not like me, spam I am.

How cruel the harried winds of fate spurn me, and toss aside my stiffled cries yearning to throw open their eyes like shuttered window panes free at last of ice cold remorse or dewdrops on a blade of grass melting in the glow of which comes from one above reproach.

They are mean girls, and have no class. Most likely born in a barn with sawdust on the floor and in their hair, never to be washed away. Class always shows its teeth before it bears its claws. Smile and a handshake, no more.

lol I am tired, and interesting enough I wanted to ask you about your comment policy P. You publish everything but the vile dispicable hate?

Because I never see anything over here but radfems, feminists, once in a great while those claiming to be feminists. Been wondering if I’m being too controlling by keeping out the stoopid. But I’d feel compelled to point out why it’s dumb since too much of it unrefuted would rot my blog otherwise.

And lately the comment spam seems to have dried up, they have perceived correctly my true natue I suppose. curses, foiled again.

Comment by m Andrea

Hell the bewilderness I generally publish people who make no sense whatsoever as well. But they soon stop commenting because I tell them to use proper arguments. Which does not go as follows:

“You’re a big meanie, and I’m going to cry”

Though I’m sure the F*** word would be paying more attention if I WAS threatening to cry.

Ain’t gonna do it sorry, some of us have a sense of dignity.

Comment by polly styrene

Class always shows its teeth before it bears its claws

😀 😀 to m Andrea.

True enough … I’ve had to learn the hard way. I was orn on the barn floor and I’m *way* too direct.

Ain’t gonna do it sorry, some of us have a sense of dignity.

I don’t.

I’ll cry, cry, cry, cry over them … and all over them.

Then post my post (which they will censor) all over the feminazi netz.

See how crude I am? I’ve already given away my strategy.

😐

Comment by Mary Sunshine

Changed my mind. I know I can’t out-drama the drama queens. I’ll just end up getting pissed off & saying something logical.

*sigh*

Comment by Mary Sunshine

m Andrea that was quite poetic.
“You publish everything but the vile dispicable hate?

Because I never see anything over here but radfems, feminists, once in a great while those claiming to be feminists.”

Yeah basically. This isn’t much of a hang out for anyone besides radfems so that makes sense. When I say I’m a small blog I mean it–low stats. (I am happy with that).
So I’m not faced with a lot of big decisions in comments arena plus I kind of like everything out in the open. That’s me tho–I’m sure you’re fair as need be.
And probably on a lot more radars than buried alive.

Oh and I WILL block crying comments. There’s no crying in Blogball! (makes you transphobic even)

Comment by pisaquaririse

Well I have now officially declared it ‘too late to apologise’ and furthermore that the F word’s pants are on fire. It’s Wednesday people, you’ve had your chance.

M Andrea may be more forgiving, but I doubt it.

Comment by polly styrene

I just read that awful thread at the F-word. They called us internet trolls! Chortle.

“Rachel: Ungendering, thirdgendering, etc. are used routinely to discredit trans people’s genders as invalid. Whatever you intended, you actually wrote something that fits into a standard oppressive trope against trans people.”

That really got me. Shakes head

Comment by aw fisticuffer

gender in any capacity, is destructive.

I agree, Pisaquari, deninitely. Upholding gender roles isn’t going to liberate women; it’s gonna keep us in this state of inequality.

And Polly has been very courageous to write that letter.

I’m sorry they silenced you and misrepresented your views, Polly. 😦

Comment by Maggie Hays

“Because I never see anything over here but radfems, feminists, once in a great while those claiming to be feminists. Been wondering if I’m being too controlling by keeping out the stoopid. But I’d feel compelled to point out why it’s dumb since too much of it unrefuted would rot my blog otherwise.”

mAndrea, trust me when I say that keeping out the stoopid is very very important to retain one’s sanity:

http://beyondfeminism.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/feminists-in-love-the-menz-problem/#comments

Comments by “Black Thirteen.” I can’t decide if folks like this are pathological, so brainwashed by their male privilege they can’t even think straight, or both together.
Comment policies, to me, are extremely important, and sticking by them is even more so. Teh stoopid can’t contribute to discussion, sorry.

Comment by Lara

Oh yes AW – the descent onto Rachel – who was actually AGREEING with them more or less was incredible. And thanks Maggie and Lara.

The F words response (for what it’s worth, which isn’t much) by the way is here.

http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2008/08/f_word_blog_rev

This weekend a few of the bloggers met up to talk about the direction of this blog, and The F-Word as a whole. We want to give readers a chance to feed into this process, too.

What are we doing right? What are we doing wrong? What would you like to see more of? Less of? Are we posting too often, or not often enough? This is the time to send us your thoughts – but concrete suggestions are particularly welcome. Drop us a line through the feedback form

What would I like to see less of? Hmm, let me think. Blatant hypocrisy? Bullying? Trashing people with much smaller blogs than yours and accusing them of inciting murder without even letting them reply?

It’s so difficult isn’t it.

Get some ethics F word.

You could e-mail them of course but they’ll probably ignore you. Like they do everyone else. Even their own contributors…..

Comment by polly styrene

okay that’s vile, Lara! And all the comments by Bonobobabe were spot on.

I guess I’m trying to figure a better comment policy to deal with the folks who just repeat the same crap over and over, and yet still give people a chance to respond.

What I am really hoping for is a dialogue with feminists, but they probably prefer to avoid the transmachine which shows up whenever anyone is even gently musing. They must have their readers set to monitor any thread with “transgender” in the title, just like an abusive man jealously guarding his property.

Comment by m Andrea

Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post… nice! I love your blog. 🙂 Cheers! Sandra. R.

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