Buried Alive


“Screaming Demon!!!!!” Commenter 155.42.57.57, RtgdfSmith@aol.com by pisaquaririse
July 23, 2008, 10:30 pm
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I’ve just unapproved 4 comments with vile, vicious, disgusting threats made to commenters/bloggers Lara and Laurelin. There was also one generic one I’m guessing was addressed to me?

To my readers who were exposed to/possibly triggered by this hateful crap: I am so sorry.

I cannot understand how this person got through as I must moderate all new commenters. So far as I can tell this IP has never been here before.

I’ve looked up the IP and all the information I can get is that it’s Vermont State college.

Again:

155.42.57.57

RtgdfSmith@aol.com

If anyone wouldn’t mind reviewing their comment IP’s to see if this person is identifiable I would appreciate it.

I’ve still got the comments should anyone really be interested in reading them. I only ask that, if you are interested in reading them, you be of sound mind.

Again, I’m so sorry these got through.

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Hey Pisaquarise, thanks for letting me know about this. I never saw any of the comments. How would I check the IP addresses of my commenters over at my own blog? I’ll try to assist you in identifying the creep. One more thing, send me the comment made to me, I want to try and figure out who this is (I know, I am prepared to see some vile stuff, so don’t worry).

Comment by Lara

Ah, this chap again. He’s been trying for some time to get comments published on my blog, under various different names. I’m looking into how to report him.

I’ve saved every comment.

Comment by Laurelin

Oh FFS! Grow up silly person. Lara – the IP addresses show at the top of the comment. You can block this IP address if you want on wordpress BTW.

P – I’d hold on to the comments if I were you, just in case.

Comment by polly styrene

Hi Pisaquaririse,

I have successfully brought Criminal Harassment charges against a 17-yr-old here in Ontario for exactly such a post directed at me. He confessed, when he realized that all the evidence was there to convict him beyond a shadow of a doubt.

He is now in the Youth Diversion Program here, which I think is actually more (mental) torture than going to jail … 😛

That’s the thing about internet crime – the evidence is irrefutable.

Enjoy!

I got a huge kick out of it myself.

BTW, you don’t have to live in his jurisdiction to bring those charges.

Comment by Mary Sunshine

Oh, score, I was -just- coming over here to see if you had a contact address so I could compare and contrast. Yes, I got a really unhinged one that seemed to be coming from your Kyle Payne post, same IP, right timestamp. Had just tracked it down to this:

IP Address 155.42.57.57 [Label IP Address]
Country United States
Region Vermont
City Burlington
ISP Vermont State Colleges
Returning Visits 0
Visit Length 3 mins 41 secs

Time WebPage
23rd July 2008 17:31:25 buriedalive.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/male-
feminists-kyles-paynes-guilty-plea/
fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/
23rd July 2008 17:32:23 buriedalive.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/male-
feminists-kyles-paynes-guilty-plea/
fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/
23rd July 2008 17:35:06 buriedalive.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/male-
feminists-kyles-paynes-guilty-plea/
fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/

Comment by belledame222

btw, I won’t repost the content either, but I seem to recall: wasn’t there an MRA called “FredX” or something who used at least one of those epithets and had a similar ummmm style? and had fixations on at least some of the same bloggers? I’m sure there’s more than one, but probably not many who can sustain that level of top-volume bile.

Comment by belledame222

Lara–I’ve sent screenshots of the comments to your e-mail.

I don’t know that this person is someone you know–HE, I will venture, seems to have targeted several other bloggers already: Laurelin, Heart, Maggie and now Belledame have received the likes of this loser.

Polly I have indeed kept these comments.
I’d actually love to see what I can do with these comments in the way of reporting.

And on that note: Mary–awesome! Go you! Would you have any interest in e-mailing me a bit on the procedure you went through to charge the harasser?

Belle–I probably haven’t been around long enough to have known “FredX.” Do you happen to have or know anyone with his IP?
As for style, it seems many nasty trolls as these take on a similar posting style. Truly un-creative.

Laurelin–didn’t you have a different IP for the person who tried leaving the comments? Still Vermont State College tho…

It seems the loser is making the comments from different computer labs/dorms.
If his college is anything like the ones I’ve been to he had to have signed on with a student ID or something from a lab comp.
I would think there would be a way to track his school log ons…

Comment by pisaquaririse

Well I presume you have harassment laws in the states Pisaquari – as Mary Sunshine says, it’s a crime (well it is here) to send threats over the internetz.

Re Mr X, he had a mysterious ‘disappearance’ a while back – I think he was in prison….

Comment by Polly Styrene

Ya mean I gotta look up law and do wooooorrk Polly?

“Natch” as you would say…

Comment by pisaquaririse

(which, yes, on the serious notes, I *am* looking into it I just wanted to hear how it went for Mary…)

Comment by pisaquaririse

never got visited by fredx myself that I know of. he had a thing for Laura W. for a bit, though, among others. personally less interested in the IP, which probably would’ve changed at least once anyway, than if anyone knows whereabouts in the country the author was from, if he was at college, and so on.

Comment by belledame222

Oh, that creature was over at my place as well.

Comment by Natalia Antonova

There was some nutcase who showed up in my spambox, claiming to love my porn stats and research post, and claiming to have found my blog from here. I didn’t believe any of it and figured he’d told you an identical story.

Oh and a while back someone asked for a link to their BrandNewBlog which only had one post. And before that some transgendered person was trying to impersonate someone else, which of course I thought was hilarious all things considered.

Reading the spam cracks me up; one girl was angry at all the hatin’ going on, and so naturally threatened to beat me up. lol These people are idiots.

Oh please report that fool if you can.

Comment by m Andrea

Pisaquari- yeah, the comments I’ve had have been from different IP addresses, but all of them have been from Vermont State College. I imagined that he was in a computer room and was using different machines each time so he’d be hard to track down. It’s possible that there’s more than one of them, but it’s certainly coming from the same place. He seems to have a number of stock messages, into which he sometimes puts the name of the blogger whom he is currently harrassing.

Comment by Laurelin

Sorry, Lara & Laurelin, that you had to deal with that guy’s horrible threats. (((Big Hugs)))

Once, I had that prick from Vermont trying to comment on my blog as well. His comment never saw the light of the day though…

And thanks Pisaquari for letting us know about this.

Comment by Maggie Hays

I don’t know about this dude’s school, by my current and undergrad universities require students to log onto lab machines with their student ID.

Comment by Nine Deuce

I know a second wave feminist whose books I love as several of them have expressed what I needed to know as if they were unlocking my feelings into words. She is a heroine of the movement starting with her book “Women and Madness” in ’72 through my favorite, “Women’s Inhumanity to Women” and the last “The Death of Feminism”(which is about western feminist’s refusal to organize and fight the slave status of women under the Islamic theocracies).

Phyllis Chesler sent this note out to the blogosphere and I hope you get a change to watch TV tonight or tomorrow.

————————————

This weekend, on both Saturday and Sunday evenings at 8pm, EST, Fox-TV will be airing a one hour documentary about honor murders in America. They interviewed me (Phyllis Chesler) at length and you may see my face and my words on camera.

FOX was the only national media outlet that really covered the honor murder of Sarah and Amina Said in Dallas Texas early this year. Kudos to them for their interest in this subject. The crew told me that I was the only domestic violence expert willing to say that honor murders have something to do with….Islam and with Muslims.

The Fox team was utterly amazing: Friendly, professional, exceedingly well prepared. About six or seven serious men arrived with lights, cameras, and computers and they turned my home into a studio-quality locale. I was interviewed by the very beautiful and brainy Lauren Greene but as I now understand it, the program will also be hosted by Megan Kelly. Let me thank Justin Laffer and Byron Garoufalis for providing excellent backup.

I would welcome your views of the program and the subject right here at my blog.

http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/

Comment by Greenconsciousness

“I didn’t believe any of it and figured he’d told you an identical story.”

No, this one didn’t even pretend to like my stuff. He came over here to talk shit on other commenters which was a little weird.

And you got raised a schoolyard fight m Andrea? Why didn’t you take it! All us girlies are so RAAARRRRAAARRR!!

“I imagined that he was in a computer room and was using different machines each time so he’d be hard to track down.”

Yeah–again, gotta be a way to track school computer activities by long ins….
like Nine Deuce said.

Comment by pisaquaririse

Interesting Greenconsciousness–I may have to check that out as my evening is rather light.
There was an honor killing in my state a few weeks ago. I couldn’t believe it, my mind just boggled for a few takes.

Though I have my theories on why Fox was so welcoming for such a story I am glad to hear Phyllis was treated kindly and that she is getting to speak out.

Thank you for passing this along.

Comment by pisaquaririse

Thank you for doing all this Pisaquarise, and sending me the email with the comments. I tried to find more info on him but I couldn’t. Thanks for posting that info too, Belledame. Looks like this guy has a penchant for harassing feminists in general, perhaps not specific ones.
I might go to check out that fetchmyaxe.blogspot.com website ::cringes::

Comment by Lara

Lara, fetchmemyaxe is belledame222’s blog.

I find the polites that BD222 uses here, to be in direct contrast of her normal attitudes and treatment of radfems.

Comment by stormy

Yeah, funny how that works, isn’t it? Putting other shit temporarily aside when there’s actually something one can work together on. Amazing.

Speaking of which, as I was coming over to say -anyway-, something you or anyone else here might want to blog on, pisaquarise: this “shock jock” Jon Justice. some of us (no, “us” does not mean “pro-porn people” or “wasps,” actually) are trying to get a campaign going a la Kyle Payne.

List of links here:

http://fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/2008/07/oh-yayz-more-horrible-people-on-parade.html

you don’t have to link directly to me if you prefer; in fact better to start with brownfemipower, or La Mala, just posting mine there for the roundup (being updated).

http://brownfemipower.com/archives/2790

http://vivirlatino.com/2008/07/25/isabel-garcia-human-rights-activist-dehumanized-and-targeted-to-be-broken-and-violated.php

Comment by belledame222

p.s. hint hint, he ALSO trolled my blog and Natalia’s. See.

Comment by belledame222

Apologies if you done this already P, but have you thought of e-mailing the college with this info? They will surely have policies for using their IT facilities.

Comment by Polly Styrene

I second Polly Styrene’s advice. At my community college students have to type in their user names and passwords to get into the Windows program from which their email program operates. And as the administrators here have stressed to staff and faculty a number of times, our emails are kept forever and can be read, etc. There will be people at this Vermont university who are over information services and can track this person down.

Comment by Level Best

“this “shock jock” Jon Justice…”

Yes Belledame–read this at Lara’s yesterday. Still need to dig into the links tho. Tis disgusting.

“I find the polites that BD222 uses here, to be in direct contrast of her normal attitudes and treatment of radfems.”

I agree Stormy.

“Putting other shit temporarily aside when there’s actually something one can work together on. Amazing.”

Right–the only thing is, civility can be maintained amongst differences as well. When radical feminists see link after link of posts attacking, mocking, and misrepresenting their points simply because there is a disagreement then obviously politeness will be met with suspicion. Or further comment.

And yes, Polly and Level Best–hopping to it 🙂

Comment by pisaquaririse

“When radical feminists see link after link of posts attacking, mocking, and misrepresenting their points simply because there is a disagreement then obviously politeness will be met with suspicion. Or further comment.”

Excellent point, pisaquari. Very well said. So, what about that, people?

Comment by buggle

This isn’t aimed at either of you, (honestly) Buggle or Pisaquari – it’s just a general observation – but I do think that it’s a good idea, generally speaking, not to take the internetz too seriously. Because the bottom line is – it’s not going to change anything. And it’s a bit daft to get wound up about things only 10 people on t’intertoobs have heard of, you end up disappearing up your own USB port. Real life awaits……

Comment by Polly Styrene

“it’s a good idea, generally speaking, not to take the internetz too seriously.”

Yeah I agree to an extent.
I do think it is rather easy to get wrapped in that which is 2 dimensional at best.

However, I have to disagree with:
“Because the bottom line is – it’s not going to change anything. ”

I, personally, have changed *a lot* since becoming a steady reader, participator and writer on the internet. What I discover online does not stay online–I take it with me: out in the world, in conversations, in the way I treat people, in voting decisions, as a consumer, in my jobs and volunteer work.

There are challenges and opinions here I do not get anywhere else. These exchanges mean a *great deal* to me and maybe I am alone in that.

I also think the internet is a good resource for people with limited resources. People that can’t afford to go a lot of places or do a lot of things. It still gives them a way to speak out or find communities and, again, I find that important.

Of course, one does have to find that place where they can manage their internet life whilst removing as much negative energies as possible. For that I say yeah: no sense having a conniption over the internet.

But real non virtual life is absolutely important too.

Comment by pisaquaririse

I should have said it’s not going to change anything on its own P. I’m a bit concerned that people tend to become obsessed with the netz and see a blog post as actually activism. I mean yes people can be exposed to ideas they wouldn’t have come across, but it isn’t activism unless people actually do something as a result of it- yanno like pester the people that have power. And because it’s a weird virtual world, things can get very out of proportion.

Comment by Polly Styrene

Ok, I’ll just let these people play nice until their next vicious attack on feminists. And I just won’t take it “too seriously.” Cause really, attacking feminists, why should I care about that? No biggie, right?

Comment by buggle

If we had real non-virtual life Women’s Libration cells in our neighbourhoods, I wouldn’t be bothered with the internet at all.

But we don’t. To a huge extent, because of the rise of the mass electronic media.

So I depend on the internet as my *sole* source of feminist support any more.

To be successful, feminism will have to move back down to the organic, local, non-electronic, non-academic environment from which its power originally sprang.

Comment by Mary Sunshine

Actually, the internet changes lots of things, polly, mostly because we end up meeting one another in real life eventually, some of us, and making real life connections, facilitating workshops, getting interviewed on the radio, going on television with our stories, connecting with feminists around the world for various actions, and it all began when we were just talking to a few people on the net for a bit and it grew from there.

The internet is serious because radical feminists we have all known and love have been horribly harmed by it. Biting Beaver, who had a really popular blog, had to go into hiding because horrific misogynist idiots didn’t like what she was posting when she was a moderator on my bulletin boards. The misogynist idiots (hackers/script kiddies they are called) hacked my boards, filled them with spam, destroyed them and “gigaraeped” both of my websites. They then embarked on crusades to find out where both bb and I lived, our phone numbers, our addresses, our social security numbers, whatever they could find. These they posted to the internet while urging their comrades to use them to harrass us in real life in a million ways. Both of us were besieged with comments that were as horrific as this vermont guy’s, which I got too and have reported him so we’ll see what happens, day after day, month after month. The hackers contacted bb’s neighbors, obtained her divorce papers and were trying to find her son to deliver porn to him. The comment that set them off was, bb had learned her son was using porn, she had a history of having been a stripper, and she said if she knew he’d grow up to use porn, she would have had an abortion. So they were trying to find him to tell him what his mother had said. The result of all this was that bb closed her blog, made it private and went into hiding. I am not kidding you.

So this stuff is very serious. What happened above that I have described was reported in one of the big Australia papers, though not in the US that I know of.

Just sayin. The haters online mock women who take the internet “too seriouslY” while they are attacking women on the internet. The content and quantity of their attacks on bb and I were unbelievable. It’s like the way batterers tell their victims they are making a big deal out of a little poke and isn’t it funny how over sensitive they are.

There’s also what happened to Kathy Sierra.

Just sayin.

Heart

Comment by womensspace

My bulletin boards never recovered from the attacks. Misogynist idiots continually lurked there and tried to register and hack and women could never feel safe. I finally closed them down (but will reopen new ones eventually, that are private).

We are talking here about rape threats, death threats, repeatedly, and then the threateners saying they are just “doing it for the lulz” and mocking us for taking the internet too srsly. It’s abusive bullshit and enrages me every time I remember, as you can see. I know you haven’t seen this, Polly, but when it happened, it traumatized all of us who had to go through it and document everything that happened, etc.

Comment by womensspace

Ah, he’s just found me. Lovely.

Comment by Nine Deuce

“Putting other shit temporarily aside when there’s actually something one can work together on. Amazing.”

Translation: You should put aside years of my attacking and harassing you and following you all over the internet to spread lies about you whenever I think it’s time for you to put those concerns aside, because I don’t like the way so many people have observed that mostly, what I do is harass and attack radfems online, and I’m trying to make them forget, trying to rehabilitate my reputation a bit, and if you won’t get on board with my projects towards that end, it makes it hard.

By all means, do the projects, do the work.

But when there is a history of attacks and harassment, trust will have been obliterated and will have to be rebuilt, and that can only begin to happen when it is clear that the attacks and harassment, the stalking and lies, have ended.

Comment by womensspace

I sent the text of the e-mail, along with his IP, e-mail address, and the time he sent the comment to maguiret@quark.vsc.edu, Thomas Maguire, who is supposed to be the contact at VSC. I’ll let you know if anything comes of it.

Comment by Nine Deuce

Forget that last comment. I just found this contact address: webmaster@blackboard.vsc.edu

Comment by Nine Deuce

I’ve just done what you suggested ND, and will also report on any progress. Fingers crossed…

Comment by Laurelin

Yeah, just to clarify everyone, I wasn’t saying actual online harassment – threats and so on – isn’t serious. But there are people on the internetz having toddler style fights and acting like it’s the bleeding middle east peace process and it’s just stooopid. Ya know, they’re not even writing about actual stuff that’s happening, they’re writing about each other, it’s reductio ad absurdum.

Comment by Polly Styrene

And yes Mary Sunshine, you’re completely right. We need to take action locally. Grass roots is what it’s about. But like someone else, who got a LOT of media attention and has now more or less given up blogging, I’m beginning to think the internet will actually be the death of feminism.

Comment by Polly Styrene

And Buggle (sorry P completely hijacking your thread here, I will cease and desist after this) as I said my comment wasn’t directed at you – genuinely. But all these ‘blog wars’ depend on there being two ‘sides’. YES I realise some people feel genuinely hurt by them (and that some women in particular seems to be being trashed wholesale). But if enough people just ignored them and refused to play, they’d stop. It is just f***ing amateur dramatics when all is said and done, and the most effective thing is to ignore it, really.

Comment by Polly Styrene

I got a response from Thomas Maguire. He said the comments were a violation of the school’s policy, and that there will be an investigation, the results of which he’ll report to me. I hope everyone who has gotten these will send the info to Maguire. Hopefully we can get this tosser thrown out of school or something (should we send this to the police, too?).

Comment by Nine Deuce

Just came over to say hi P and see how you’re getting on. Those must have been seriously hateful comments to inspire this continued concern even after their removal. I didn’t see them, so I have no idea what how bad they were.

I was just assuming they were only slightly worse than what I usually expect from men. Kind of like how I expect the sex-pozzies to be hypocrites and manipulative wankers.

There is working together in a true spirit of camaraderie, there’s slogging it out together just to get the bloody job done, and then there’s fake concern about “isolated” incidents of sexism just to score points for some other nefarious goal which clearly requires constant shit-stirring and ass-sucking just to keep people interested.

And then there’s the pleas for radfems to be more civil, which appears to mean only a moratorium on accountability for the yay-exploitation crowd.

I guess I’ve supposed to be too dumb to notice who’s actually enabling the harm, and who’s wallowing in sadistic manipulation of genuinely nice people.

I don’t consider myself an activist in any sense of the word, btw. I am just sick to fucking death of the never-ending sexism.

Comment by m Andrea

I actually agree with pretty much all of what you’ve said here Polly, except the assholes are using the internet as a gathering place, and it’s good that some radfems are watching out.

Comment by m Andrea

Right–the only thing is, civility can be maintained amongst differences as well. When radical feminists see link after link of posts attacking, mocking, and misrepresenting their points simply because there is a disagreement then obviously politeness will be met with suspicion.

So well-put, Pisaquari. 😛

Comment by Maggie Hays

I also think the internet is a good resource for people with limited resources. People that can’t afford to go a lot of places or do a lot of things. It still gives them a way to speak out or find communities and, again, I find that important.

Yep. And radical feminists are almost always censored and constantly misrepresented in malestream media, so it is important we have the Internet for our small community, yes.

Comment by Maggie Hays

It always made me terribly sad what happened to BB & you, Heart. I do hope she is alright. 😦

Comment by Maggie Hays

Let’s not forget who did this. Iw as someone we trusted, and included. It was Daisy DeadAir who took a private conversation and posted it to Simply Awful, after she had sought and gained our trust and welcome.

Comment by Sis

Hey Polly, I’m sorry I snapped at you. I know you weren’t directing it at me, and I was misdirecting my frustration at you. Sorry about that 😦 I agree with what you are saying for the most part. Peace 🙂

Comment by buggle

I agree with you Maggie about feminism in the media, but I’ve learnt in the past that if you do activism in the right way you can get media attention. You need to target media outlets carefully for one. And you do need to be aware of media agendas – you need to present something that’s a bit ‘newsworthy’. I have achieved some good results in the past, I’ve just been a bit too knackered to do it recently. But in the future I’m really not going to waste my time with feminist blogging, it’s spitting in the wind. All it is is a handful of people online, and a bunch of others who are acting out some prior conflict (with their parents, most likely) slagging them off.

What the f*** is that to do with feminism? Nothing. It’s really, really, not helping one woman, and I think it’s a huge mistake to let your energies be diverted into online fights, they are only people on the internet who don’t know you and you don’t know them, they don’t matter. The most successful feminist blogger I know, who got a lot of media attention and did achieve a lot quit in the end because she was so pissed off with the internet ‘feminist’ scene. A lot of it is just people who’ve got no other lives, so they’ve got to make friends online, and it all gets crazily out of proportion.

Please note NONE of that is directed at anyone who commented above. There are some great online feminist blogs. And yes I know people are isolated. But if there’s nothing going on where you are – Start something! Put a notice up in your local library advertising a feminist reading group – there’s always something you can do, even if you don’t live in a place that’s got a women’s centre. There are lots of women about who are pissed off with patriarchy, you just need to locate them and get active.

(Sorry hijacked your thread again P).

Comment by polly styrene

But when there is a history of attacks and harassment, trust will have been obliterated and will have to be rebuilt, and that can only begin to happen when it is clear that the attacks and harassment, the stalking and lies, have ended.

Exactly Heart.

I really hope that BB is ok after the campaign against her last year; really frightening.

Comment by stormy

I’ve got this asshat commenting on my blog as well, and I also sent the information about the comments to Mr Maguire at the IT dept at Vermont Community College. The most recent comment I got makes me think he’s got one of those cell phone company internet finders through Verizon Wireless. He’s annoying. I don’t know about forwarding these comments to police, Nine Deuce — would we sent them to our respective local police, or to police/troopers in Vermont?

Comment by L

Put a notice up in your local library advertising a feminist reading group – there’s always something you can do, even if you don’t live in a place that’s got a women’s centre. There are lots of women about who are pissed off with patriarchy, you just need to locate them and get active.

Exactly right.

It complicates things if you live in a University town.

I’d have to limit it somehow to women who haven’t taken any courses in “Women’s” Sudies, Gender Studies, or post-modernism.

Comment by Mary Sunshine

Nine Deuce, I also took your advice and forwarded more information to Thomas Maguire (since he responded promptly to you). I just received more abusive comments from this guy (looks like his name is Chris) on my own blog, and the rape threats as well as the accusations of racism and the KKK are rampant in his messages. I hope we can find out who this person is and that the appropriate actions are taken against him at the Vermont college he’s going to.

Comment by Lara

I think we ought to see about reporting him to the police in Vermont, right?

Comment by Nine Deuce

I’m sure you’ll figure out a way Mary. Maybe you could call it the ‘evol feminist reading group’.

Comment by polly styrene

Is online harassment/abuse even against the law in Vermont, Nine?

Comment by Lara




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